February 2, 2017 at 4:44 pm #18854scl0577Participant
If socialism is the means of production in the hands of the government or collective rather than private ownership, how do we characterize government-run industries in the mixed economy? For example, would the government’s involvement in military production/police or courts be subject to the calculation problem? I made the argument in a debate that the government cannot calculate in the production of military , police and courts. My opponent contended that A. the government does have access to prices and can calculate in these industries. B. That the calculation problem only applies to the inputs and means of production, not consumer goods and outputs. My response was that A. Mere access to current prices is not sufficient to calculate efficiently. B. The value consumers put on output and consumer goods is imputed backwards and sets in motion the entire capital structure, therefore inability to calculate in consumer prices is imputed to misallocation of producer goods.
Am I off base here or is this the correct response? Any direction on how to answer this issue would be much appreciated! Thanks!
Spencer LemoineFebruary 4, 2017 at 8:17 pm #18855jmherbenerParticipant
Economic calculation is the only method to determine both the goods higher-valued by people-at-large in society and the lower-cost methods of production for each of those goods. In a market economy, entrepreneurs can determine higher-valued goods by the demands people-at-large have for them and the lower-cost methods of production by the demands competing entrepreneurs-at-large have for the resources.
In central planning, government officials make all production decisions both what goods to produce and what methods of production to use. They cannot determine what goods are higher-valued to people-at-large, but they can (as Mises conceded) supplant their own preferences for those of people-at-large in selecting the goods to be produced. They cannot, however, determine the lower-cost methods of production even for the goods they themselves select to produce. But the calculation problem, per se, does apply to both the selection of higher-valued goods by people-at-large and the selection of lower-cost production methods for whatever goods are chosen.
In a mixed economy, government officials make production decisions for state-run enterprises. If government officials do not sell the goods produced in free competition with private enterprise, then they cannot make accurate decision about what goods are higher-valued to people-at-large. To the extent that they buy inputs in free competition with private enterprise, then the inefficiency of state-run enterprises relative to private enterprises will be manifest. For example, the cost per student in private v. government schools or private v. government healthcare. The coercive power of the state permits state-run enterprises to violate economic calculation and survive even though inefficient. Economic calculation has some impact on decisions of government officials in state-run enterprises, but it does not function as the strict limit imposed on private enterprises.
Take a look at Ludwig von Mises, Human Action on the mixed economy:
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