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April 18, 2013 at 1:04 pm #16764
Chad.e.nelson.1
MemberThis may be too broad a question, but where is a good place to start for one who’d like to delve into this topic?
Perhaps the answer is to start from Lecture 1 in ‘Western Civ. Before 1500’, but I was wondering if there might be a specific lecture or series of lectures that hones in a bit more on these matters.
April 21, 2013 at 2:05 am #16765dardner
MemberThe professors will know better than me but for what it’s worth i think western civ after 1500 might be more germane. I believe the roots go back to the 1800’s but this whole issue seems to start within the time of the Balfour declaration and the Sykes Picot agreement. The middle eastern jews living under the Ottoman empire did not face the kind of hatred they see today in the region. Consider if the central powers had won world war 1 and created a muslim state in the US. Compounded by the success of the jews in the region similar to the conflict of the chinese in malaysia. The effects of nation building after the first World War were not limited to Israel but can be seen throughout eastern europe to this day.
I find the idea of returning these people to their biblical promised land dubious. Genetically speaking many of the RETURNED jews had become so thoroughly assimilated over the centuries that they were Jewish by religion alone. On some level this idea of giving them a place of their own shows just as much antisemitism as Hitler claiming he would send them to Madagascar.
I can’t say that everything would be fine today but without western imperialism many of the Middle Easts conflicts would look quite different. Regardless of the Koran, Jews and muslims got on fine together as the radical fundamentalist element was quelled by the governments in the region. In my uneducated simpleton opinion to understand what is causing the problems in the east we should start looking in the west.
April 23, 2013 at 1:45 pm #16766Jason Jewell
ParticipantIf you have a basic familiarity with the Old Testament and the Hebrew history that Zionists are hearkening back to, it’s probably best to move on to more modern sources. Barbara Tuchman’s first book was an examination of the historical relationship between the English and Jews, focusing on the 19th and 20th centuries. It’s very readable and will give you the basics, although it was written in the mid-20th century and will not bring you up to date. I think it stops shortly after WWI. It’s a decent starting point, though.
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